Hon. Senators, I am informed that we have quorum, so we may proceed.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to present a petition on behalf of Kenya Airways sacked or retrenched staff, pursuant to Standing Order No.217(b). I wish to read the petition:- We, the undersigned, are citizens of the Republic of Kenya, duly registered voters and taxpayers and who previously worked for Kenya Airways in various departments and whose names, signatures and other details are appended here pursuant to Standing Order No.222 of the Senate, authorizing THE Senator for Nairobi, Sen. Mbuvi Sonko, to countersign and lay this petition on the Table of the Senate. We, furthermore, draw the attention of the Senate to the following: (i) That we have been working for Kenya Airways on permanent and pensionable terms in various departments and were members of the Aviation and Allied Workers Union. (ii) That Kenya Airways undertook a restructuring, redundancy and retrenchment process between 1st August, 2012 and 4th September, 2012 where 447 unionisable employees lost their jobs. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Order, Sen. Sonko! You know you have only five minutes.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have the discretion of extending my time as per Standing Order No.1. I am about to finish, so if you grant me five more minutes, I will be through.
Order, Sen. Sonko! You had started well especially quoting the Standing Order but they misdirected you, the Standing Order is 222. But I do not exercise discretion unless it is sought. So, you just do not assume that I will indulge you.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am humbly seeking that you grant me at least three more minutes and I will be through with my petition.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Mr. Speaker, Sir, Kenya Airways also violated the Kenya Citizenship and Immigration Act by employing foreigners without issuing them with work permits, and I also wish to lay on the Table the said Act.
Also, in their first letter, Kenya Airways retrenched these innocent staff citing that they were not making profits. I wish to lay on the Table data from their audit report, from their accountants, which shows that Kenya Airways is indeed making huge profits because they purchased nine aircraft and this is the list of aircraft obtained from Kenya Airways. I wish to table it.
They have also increased their network. They have expanded the routes where they are flying. The routes which were recently launched include Livingstone, Abu Dhabi, Blantyre, Kilimanjaro and Eldoret. This clearly shows that they are making profits. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to table a newsletter from Kenya Airways. After sacking these 447 staff, still there was a shortage of staff. There is a newsletter dated 2nd August and you will allow me to read just one sentence where the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) is commenting that our “Our cabin crew numbers are improving with the injection of 74 interns currently undergoing The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Ordinarily, petitions are not supposed to be annexed to some other materials but since papers are in the following order we will assume that the documents tabled are meant for that particular order. So, the petition is committed to the relevant Committee, that is, Health, Labour and Social Welfare. Next order! The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to give notice of the following Motion. THAT, in view of the various constraints that the Ad Hoc Committee on Public Compensation Claims Bureau, constituted on 9th July 2013, has experienced in carrying out its mandate in accordance with its terms of reference within the stipulated timeframe approved by the Senate of three months; appreciating the Senate in establishing the Committee; recognizing the determination of the Committee to have a comprehensive report and legislative proposal for the enactment of a Bill to establish a one stop Public Compensation Claims Bureau in all counties to process outstanding claims and ensure claimants are paid within three months of retiring; this Senate do grant leave to extend the term of the Ad Hoc Committee for 3 more months to enable the Committee accomplish its mandate.
Sen. (Eng.) Karue, I do not see any Motion related to you listed. DEVELOPMENT OF OFFICES AND DEBATING CHAMBERS FOR TANA RIVER, NYANDARUA AND THARAKA-NITHI COUNTIES
Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki, I beg to give notice of the following Motion. THAT, aware that pursuant to Article 6 (2) of the Constitution, the Governments at the National and County levels are distinct and inter-dependent; also aware that one of the key objects of devolution pursuant to Article 174 is to facilitate the decentralization of state organs, their functions and services, from the capital of Kenya; noting with concern that three counties namely; Tana River, Nyandarua and Tharaka-Nithi, have no appropriate offices or debating chambers for the County Executives and County Assemblies, respectively, as they lack buildings and other infrastructure as their headquarters are located away from major urban centres impeding the performance of their constitutional and statutory functions and negating the purposes and principles of devolution; the Senate calls on the national Government, in line with section 15 (2) of the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution, to take immediate measures to develop office facilities and debating chambers for the three counties. PROVISION OF EDUCATION FOR DECEASED OFFICERS’ CHILDREN
Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Muthama, I wish to give notice of the following Motion. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Which Statements are due today?
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise under Standing Order No.33(1) to seek leave to move a Motion of Adjournment for the purpose of discussing escalating insecurity in Marsabit County as a matter of urgent national importance.
You may resume your seats. Standing Order No.33(3) says that if the Speaker is satisfied in terms of paragraph 2 and not less than five other Senators rise in their places in support, then the Speaker shall nominate a time on the same day in which such a Motion may be moved. I order that this Motion comes at 11.00 a.m. Next Order!
Who was contributing? The Mover was Sen. Mwazo, who was still moving. But I think he had to rush somewhere. Sen. Obure, are you holding brief?
Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Then proceed. Now, are you part of the moving or are you seconding?
Actually, Mr. Speaker, Sir, what happened is that Sen. Mwazo told me that he had completed moving the Motion, and he has asked me to second it.
Anyway, that is the only way to do it.
With your permission, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
You cannot complete his job; we will assume that he terminated his part. So, you can only second.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is in connection with a report by the Standing Committee on Energy, Roads and Transportation. That Committee paid a visit to Olkaria KenGen facility in Naivasha area, and this visit was intended to enable hon. Members of the Committee to familiarize themselves with the operations of KenGen and to give them an opportunity to appreciate the challenges faced in the generation of electricity. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we established that KenGen has become the leading electric power generation company in Kenya, producing approximately 80 per cent of our energy requirements. It is a company which is 70 per cent owned by the Government of Kenya. We noticed that despite the various challenges which this company has faced since its inception, it has made very significant achievements, particularly in the area of geothermal development. The company provides employment opportunities to approximately 2,000 Kenyans. As a Kenyan, I feel very proud that KenGen, which has raised its profile to the level where it is now ISO certified, is fully managed and controlled by Kenyans, who include professionals and highly qualified engineers. Practically, all the expertise is locally sourced and a majority of them are pure natives of Kenyan origin. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the visit to Olkaria also revealed that there is a huge potential of up to 10,000 megawatts of electricity sited in 23 locations around the country. These locations are spread all over; for example, they include Olkaria itself, Menengai in Nakuru, Silali, Bogoria, Paka, Suswa, Homa Bay Hills in Homa Bay County; Lake Magadi, Nyambene Ridges, Chyulu Hills and very many other areas of the country. We also noticed that only two sites are being exploited at the moment; that is Olkaria and Menengai. The potential in other areas has not been tapped at all. It is envisaged that by 2030, we would have realized up to 5,000 megawatts of electricity. That would be a substantial contribution towards our energy requirements, although we could do better; we could tap even more potential out of these indigenous assets. Mr. Speaker, Sir, as we all know, we are not self reliant on energy. In fact, energy is a major constraint to our economic development and social transformation. We also know that, in fact, it will be difficult for us to achieve Vision 2030 if we do not generate sufficient energy at affordable rates. Our focus as a country should, therefore, be to supply reliable, environmentally friendly and affordable energy. That should really be our focus going forward. This source is clearly geothermal, which will help to turn Kenya’s economy around. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, Sir, KenGen today relies very heavily on funding from the Government and this is, obviously, unsustainable. It limits its operations because, of course, the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. Billow Kerrow.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to thank the Committee for this report, which highlights their visit to Olkaria. I also want to thank them for bringing the focus on geothermal power development. Mr. Speaker, Sir, if we look at the Government’s development blueprint, Vision 2030, the most important challenge that faces this country’s development; that has particularly hindered the industrial take off; that has also affected the regional or global competitiveness of this country, is the high cost of energy. This is a matter that has been raised for many years, and the successive Governments have repeated it; that their main commitment would be reducing the cost of power so that our industries can have cheaper power and, therefore, reduce their cost of production, which will in turn enhance their competitiveness. Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is also the pledge of this Government – now different than the others – that they are committed to reducing the cost of power so that the competitiveness of the country will be enhanced. However, it is one of the major challenges. For me, the single most important challenge that I have seen is the lack of coherence on Government policy in the energy sector. Even as we look at this report, you can find clearly that there is no coherence. The Government very clearly in this report--- What comes out is that there is an urgent need to develop our power capacity to accrue at least 5,000 megawatts in the next couple of years, but by 2030, at least we should have 15, 000 megawatts. The challenge we have here is not the lack of resources to generate. We have the geothermal power resource available, but it is the lack of policy; that we are not focusing our financial resources or our energies into it. Even as we look into this, with all this potential for geothermal, you find the Government engaging in other very expensive dreams, for example, nuclear power energy. Why would you want to go for nuclear power energy when you have the potential for geothermal to generate even up to three times this 5, 000 megawatts that is being projected? The second thing is the cost of power. Currently this country’s power is one of the most expensive in the region. The reason is because of the mix of the power sources that we have; the thermal power, the hydro electric power and of course, the emergency power sources that we have which provide at least 60 per cent of the power sources. That is what makes it very expensive because power like from the generators can cost up to Kshs35 per kilowatt. This geothermal is the single cheapest source of power. In this Report, we are told it is about Kshs8 per kilowatt. If that is the case then, there is need to focus a lot of our resources in this particular area. What this Committee is telling us is that for the Government to generate the 5, 000 megawatts, they will require US Dollars 20 billion. This is Kshs17 trillion. But with the 5, 000 megawatts of power, this country will not have any more power shortages. It will no longer be using generators. It will no longer have expensive power. It will be the destiny of investors. The reason why many investors are leaving The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki: On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir.
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Surely, Sen. Billow, it is your right not to be informed, but when you are raising some doubts, maybe you may---
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know my leader well and I would rather not take information from him. These positions were advertised and persons competitively recruited. I think the process was done and I think it is the question of just announcing who were successful so that these uncertainties can end. When you are acting, you do not have that full commitment to carry out anything because you feel insecure. I think it is important that you do not have four to five people in acting capacities in the most important institutions in this industry. I think the sooner His Excellency the President confirms the appointment of these people, the better. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to conclude by thanking the Committee, but they need to come out boldly in terms of the funding and put the alternatives that they have before the Treasury. In particular, they need to free GDC and to fully allow equity participation in that sector so that people can participate and we get out of these problems about energy. I support.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First of all, I also wish to join my colleagues in thanking the Committee on Energy, Roads and Transportation, for the Report that they tabled in the House. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we do know that this is a very important sector in our country and economy which relies entirely on power. The worrying thing at the moment is that the cost of power in this country is excessive. I, therefore, want to thank this Committee for the Report that they have given us. I would also like to appreciate that Reports of this Senate, really go out and bring hands-on information for the Senate to deliberate on and assist the country to face the challenges in the energy sector. Mr. Speaker, Sir, while I thank the Committee, I also wish to make some few comments that, probably, would try and mitigate some of the issues that are arising in this sector. During the time that this Committee was visiting Olkaria, we witnessed some very vicious evictions happening in Maela, where the Geothermal Development Company (GDC) is undertaking its work. The eviction of the citizens who were living in that area was very vicious. It looks like those evictions were done by third parties. It is, therefore, important that the Government stays on friendly terms with its citizens, so that when issues like eviction take place, they are actually planned and orderly. There should be compensation or alternative settlements for the individual, so that good relationship exists between the citizens and the government, and any developments that happen within the area. I, therefore, urge that any further displacements of people to pave way for power generation should be done in a manner that does not hurt the communities of the area, because we need their support in the process of generating power. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I note from the Report, that the power that is going to be generated within the GDC in Naivasha will join the national grid and transported 150 kilometres to Nairobi, to be utilized, perhaps, in industries. I note that where this power is being generated, there is a lot of land. To mitigate on the cost of this power, it might be prudent to utilize this power within the area where it is generated; more particularly, in this ample space where this power can be utilized. For example, I will be expecting that several industrial parks be created or developed within the areas where this power is being generated, so that it can be utilized without losing some of the power in long distance transportation. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand to support this Report and also congratulate the Members of the Committee for taking their responsibility seriously and going round to see what is going on in that particular sector. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Report is on geothermal mainly and that is a clean and cheap source of energy. That is the way we should go. But I would also like the Committee to take interest in other sources of energy like wind, which is also a cheap source of energy and might not require a lot of work like drilling of the steam wells. Currently, we have a project which has taken time to take off, that is, the wind power which is on the eastern shores of Lake Turkana in Marsabit County. That is an idea which the investors have been toying with for the last eight years. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to contribute to this Report and support its adoption. I also want to commend the Committee for the work that they have done. They visited the various sites and have given us a comprehensive Report, which also gives recommendations of improving this very important sector. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we had an opportunity also to visit one of the geothermal power stations and saw the work that they do and the potential for energy that is there. We have a good promise from GDC that the geothermal energy and how it is exploited can lead this country to greater heights. The Report indicates that the geothermal installed capacity in this country places us at position number nine and there is a potential for us to be placed number three. I think that the Committee needs to take us to the next level, to really look at the issues that are stopping us from moving to number three, and try through the relevant Ministries to intervene and try to find ways that will actually ensure that we move to that number three position in the world, that they have indicated in this particular Report. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the potential that was looked into was about 10,000 megawatts, but they say that there is potential for more in terms of geothermal. Of all the 23 sites, this Committee visited two sites. But they talked about other sites, including Paka, Silali The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Thank you Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am delighted to join my colleagues this morning in adding my voice in support of this Motion. I am a Member of this Committee. I The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have not seen you this morning, Good morning?
Good morning to you.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support and commend this Committee for the work they have done in reaching out and bringing us this Report with the recommendations that they have put in. Just like other Committees, the Senate Committees are doing very well and deserve commendation. Without power in our country, we cannot develop our country. As Sen. Musila said, the people living around where power is generated need to be involved. The recommendations of this Committee suggest that we need to have a stakeholder’s forum to inform the counties about their potential in terms of electricity generation. I think the Government should move with speed and involve the counties. These are the people with the power in the counties. It is important that they are involved because they are the owners of these products. It is important as they go round and prepare a Report or as KenGen is doing its work, counties must be involved in all ways. I remember when the Turkwell Gorge was developed, people used to call it a white elephant. However, as I stand today, the Turkwell Gorge is producing a lot of power for this country. I believe that if more exploration is done, we can still have many more counties, especially in the Rift Valley and the North Eastern Province, producing more power for this county. Looking at the recommendations of this Committee, I commend and support the work that has been done. I beg to support, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Well; it does not appear like anybody else is interested in contributing. So, the Mover may reply, if he wishes to reply.
Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. First of all, I want to start by thanking my colleagues; hon. Senators, for the contributions and proposals they have made. I want to assure them that the Committee has taken note of their proposals and that the Committee is grateful for the interest they have shown in this subject. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the report of the Standing Committee on Energy, Roads and Transportation brings to the fore very serious questions. The question is: Why is electricity expensive and prohibitive in Kenya? This is really the question that we must respond to. Then the second question is: How do we get out of this quagmire; how do we get out of this serious mess in which we find ourselves? Electricity is expensive in Kenya largely because the demand is higher than the supply. This is why we have shortages of electricity. The demand is higher and the cost of electricity is expensive because we have relied heavily on hydro sources of electricity, which are erratic, particularly during the dry spells. This forces us to use the emergency power supplies, which use engines powered by diesel. It is the wrong policy because the cost of diesel is hitting the roof at this particular time. So, we must address the fact that we are using expensive electricity whose cost is up to Kshs35 per kilowatt and we must find every way to get out of it to avoid the use of emergency power supplies. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, electricity is expensive in this country because of the huge losses experienced at the level of transmission and distribution. We must appreciate the fact that Kenya Power uses old technology, machines and equipment as a result of which we suffer very heavy losses. So, really, to get out of this quagmire, we must do one thing as a country; we must decide to get our priorities right. There is need to invest more resources in the area of geothermal development. We must put in more resources as a country and that must be a deliberate decision, otherwise, this cycle will continue to the detriment of the country. We must, as a matter of priority, go geothermal because the cost of geothermal, as stated by other contributors to this Motion, is only Kshs8 per kilowatt compared to the Kshs35 kilowatt we are paying for power from emergency power suppliers. Largely on the way forward, I cannot see any other shortcut. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the third point we must observe, through what has come out from this debate, is the need to change the ownership of our energy institutions. As pointed out by Sen. Kerrow this morning, the Geothermal Development Company (GDC), which is the vehicle used for development of geothermal energy, is 100 per cent owned by the Government; and that is the one institution which needs more funding; yet it is tied to or it must rely on Government funding. We need to open it up to the private sector so that the private sector can take ownership of that company to enable it access funding from the private sector and other investment institutions. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to, once again, thank hon. Senators for their contributions. I want to thank members of the Committee for the time they found to visit these sites and to put together this report. I want to assure hon. Senators that, as a Committee, we will engage the Treasury and the relevant Ministry to ensure that the big questions relating to electricity supply are answered so that all the challenges we are facing in this sector are resolved. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move. Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.
Hon. Senators, that brings us to the end the debate on that report. As per Standing Order No.69, I rule that this is not a Motion affecting The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
This Motion was adjourned yesterday and Sen. Zani was on her feet, but she had concluded. So, the debate is open. But let me just make this point; that this debate is going on for the next 20 minutes and then it will be adjourned because the ruling of the Speaker was that not later than 11.00 a.m., we shall have the Motion of Adjournment. I would have started on it now to save on the situation, but because the ruling was for 11.00 a.m., we will start at that time. So we will now proceed with Order No.9 by Sen. G.G. Kariuki.
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this important Motion moved by Sen. G.G. Kariuki; Senator Number One in this House. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to thank Sen. G.G. Kariuki for sponsoring this very important Motion. I know that, as a former Minister for Internal Security, Sen. G.G. Kariuki fully understands what security is all about, what security means to the citizens of this country and to the Kenyan economy as a whole. Those in charge of our various security institutions today should care to listen to what Sen. G.G. Kariuki has to say on issues of security. I am sure that they could learn one or two things from him. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, provision of national security is the most important priority for any government in power anywhere in the world. This is because insecurity can cause socio- political instability; it can cause upheavals for any government in power and it can cause a The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. Kembi-Gitura): Sen. Obure, your time is up.
Oh, my God! I support Sen. G.G. Kariuki’s Motion.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand to support this important Motion. I want to remind the House that the Mover of the Motion, Sen. G.G. Kariuki, was once in charge of internal security in this country and I was privileged, as a Provincial Commissioner, to serve under him. Therefore, the concerns that this Motion expresses are real. Over the last few years, this country has experienced serious insecurity in the country. Every day, there are stories that you cannot believe. In fact, it is so depressing when you watch news on television. The stories you hear and the scenes you see are very depressing. Therefore, it calls for a serious, comprehensive security review, as the Mover is suggesting, with a view to formulating strategies capable of containing crime and safeguarding national security interests. First of all, the welfare of all those people who are charged with the responsibility of looking after us must be given priority. Two days ago, there was a documentary showing the suffering of the police officers. These officers have no houses and we have been singing about it. There was even a Motion about two to three years ago, urging the Government to look into the welfare of police officers. Police officers are forced to share houses even when they living with their families. The police officers lack equipment. I even challenged a senior police officer who is supposed to be guarding us as we sit here and he has no weapon. When I asked him where it was, he told me that they are not available. So, what is he doing here pretending to guard us but when something happens, he will run away with us? The police officers have no guns. Many of them are walking around without guns, not because they are not allowed to carry them but because they are not in stock. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in this country, crime goes unpunished because we have no laboratories that can determine who committed crime. We were shown some armouries which look like food boxes which children carry when they are going to school. There is clear negligence of the security systems. If you look at the number of police officers who were killed in Baragoi, they were 42 in number and all their firearms were taken. To date, the Government has not made any effort to recover those weapons. These are the weapons now being used by the communities to fight one another. In Kitui County, where we border Tana River, every week, we have people crossing over, killing our people and the Government does nothing. The Chairman of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Affairs is here and I have raised these matters with him many times. I have asked him specifically to tell me; during the last four years there are so many people who have been killed and the police officers have not been able to arrest or even take a single one to court. All they say is that the matter is pending investigations. This is because of police laxity. The police have resorted to taking the law into their hands. People are, at any given opportunity, taking the law into their own hands to punish the people they think have committed crimes. This is because the security agents are unable to arrest criminals and charge them effectively. Therefore people want to take the law into their own The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first of all, I would like to commend Sen. G.G. Kariuki for such a wonderful Motion. It is important to appreciate that the country is going through a serious phase of attack. We have been sitting and getting reports about the levels of crime in the various parts of the country particularly where people are attacked, injured or wounded without any known motive. There are traditionally known motives like stealing and robbing. As I speak, my former Dean and colleague, Henry Lugulu, is recuperating in hospital because on Sunday night, he was attacked by thugs in Eldoret. He was shot in both legs without the attackers stealing anything from his car or his home. This kind of violence is not good for this country. We need to have such a committee to inform the current security forces and to even give suggestions in terms of what changes can be made. The National Security Council has the responsibility to address Parliament which includes the Senate once every year on the state of national security. I think in preparation for such an address from the national Government, it is important that they put together a team so that when the President will address Parliament, he should come and unveil such a committee. He could even come with a report of such a committee so that they can give us suggestions on the way forward so that we do not just become complainants, but the solution. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, no country can develop with the insecurity of the magnitude that we have. As a lawyer, you know that any slight information that breaks out of this country, even if it means a robbery in one shop like it happened this morning down town, it will really scares away investors because everybody will imagine that the country is not safe. If every day, there are reports in the newspapers about violence, it scares away potential investors that would have come to the various parts of the country. In fact, I opine that the marginalized areas in this country are going to suffer or lack in development because of insecurity. I want to implore our brothers in Turkana and Pokot to try to know that the more there is violence between the two communities, the more they will lag behind. They will be in the 1950s and we are 50 years down the line trying to ensure that everybody gets equity and equality and development in this country. I support.
I was hoping that you would reserve the conclusion, but now that you have concluded your contribution, it is fine. You would have been the first one to speak when it resumes. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity to bring to the national attention the situation in Marsabit County. I stand here for all the residents of Marsabit County, as their Senator, with a very heavy heart. This is because while other parts of this country are getting prepared to embrace devolution and make use of this opportunity to improve their condition, my county is sliding back into a situation where people are finding it easier to live in a foreign country than in their own country. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the current situation is very bad. If I start with the situation in Moyale, which is the border point, for the last three months, 80 per cent of its residents have not been staying in their homes. People have been living in Kenya during the day and crossing over to sleep in Moyale-Ethiopia. Moyale happens to be a border town and falls both on the Kenyan side and the Ethiopian side. It is very unfortunate that Kenyans are finding it secure to sleep in a foreign country, just because they cannot get security in their own country. Right now, we have reached a point where people do not do business and shops have closed, yet that is mainly a business and border town. Some people cannot even access banks by virtue of where they are located. If it is located close to another community, you cannot even access banks and hospital facilities because of that kind of insecurity. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the whole team of elected leaders in Marsabit County was there in August and the situation was so bad that we had to be escorted out of town because people fight in broad daylight. Right now, it is even worse. The information that we have is that people from all communities are busy arming themselves. It is sad that the Government is just reporting to us that people are arming themselves. I do not know whether they want us to go and disarm them, because it is their responsibility to make sure that the public does not get arms. Theirs is to keep law and order. They are the ones who are supposed to have force to stop people. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Marsabit-Moyale Highway is impassable and that is the gateway that we have---
Order, Senators! This is a very important Motion. I would appreciate it if you could, please, consult in lower tones, so that we can all follow. Remember that even the Motion that we have deferred to later, by Sen. G.G Kariuki, is on security. This is a specific Motion for Adjournment to discuss issues of security. I hope that you will consult in lower tones, so that we can all communicate. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Moyale-Marsabit Highway, which is the only access road that we have to the bigger market in Ethiopia, of about 90 million people, is now not passable. For the last one or two months, loaded trucks have been stuck at Turbi, which is 130 kilometres from the border. They cannot move from Turbi to Moyale because the road has been barricaded by members of the public. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, last weekend we, as leaders, complained and the police asked the trucks to follow them. Three trucks followed them. When they reached Sololo area, they were stopped by members of the public who then looted and burnt them. These trucks had about ten police officers on each of them. We even have a case where the local leaders were there. There are pictures circulating in the area showing these trucks being burnt. The policemen did not do anything. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, also on that road we have two contractors on site. The Marsabit-Turbi road is under construction. The Turbi-Moyale road is also under construction. There are two Chinese contractors on these roads. Our idea was that by 2016 the road from Isiolo to Moyale will be tarmacked. Now we are seeing a situation where because of insecurity, those contractors will abandon the works. Each of the contract is over Kshs10 billion. Therefore, we are going to lose a Government investment, since the situation is getting out of hand. There was a Land Cruiser pick-up which was being used by one of the contractors, which was also burnt. Now this poses a threat to security for the contractors in this construction project and that investment is under threat. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in Marsabit Central, where the county headquarters are, the issue is mainly between the Boranas on one side and the Gabbra and Burji on the other side. But now it has reached Marsabit Town where people are being asked not to buy goods and services from others. A Borana cannot go to a Gabbra or Burji shop to buy. There was even a case where somebody went and bought from a Burji shop and his ears were cut off. He was told that since he did not listen to them, they were going to chop off his ears. It has reached that level. The problem is that the Government is there and when you ask them they tell you: “Yes, we know and have heard that.” I do not know what will happen. How many people will be killed so that security can come in? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, right now, in downtown Nairobi, if people riot, of course, without even knowing why they are rioting, the police will be there to stop them and protect other people’s lives and property. But in Marsabit, we are left on our own and the situation is getting out of hand. What is causing all this? We know very well that there was violence in Moyale between 2011 and 2012. However, this one, particularly seems to be connected to the recent elections. In Kenya, we are allowed to form coalitions and that is why we have Jubilee and CORD. The people of Marsabit also voted the same way. We have communities like the Rendile, Gabbra, Burji and all those who came together and felt that maybe they could win together. We also have the Boranas on the side. But after the election, there was a feeling that maybe those who had won will not be accepted to govern. There was a memorandum which was circulated. I would like to comment here that I even saw a copy of it with the Committee on Devolved Governments; saying that we do not accept Ukur Yatani as Governor. That is what some people have said from the beginning. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as the Senator, I took a lot of time trying to discuss with people across the board, telling them that as a county government, we will make sure that there is The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Sen. Hargura, you have not moved anything. Have you? You must move that the House do now adjourn; otherwise, we have no Motion before us. I told you that you had ten minutes.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do now adjourn.
That is it. Does this Motion not need a Seconder? You need somebody to second the Motion.
Sen. Lonyangapuo will second the Motion.
Sen. Lonyangapuo, you have five minutes.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for this opportunity. I want to thank Sen. Hargura for bringing this Motion for Adjournment, so that we discuss the insecurity situation in Marsabit County. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, looking at the information that has been presented, it almost boils down to a case where some defeated politicians and those who won have not sat down and agreed on how to solve these problems. Whenever there are problems they should not run to their communities and start issuing statements that can cause alarm. From the information that has been given here, Marsabit County is on the border of Kenya and Ethiopia. It is a vast county covering a distance of 500 kilometres in length. Indeed, when we hear that Kenyans find refuge in a neighbouring country, it really tells a lot. Our security system here in Kenya needs to be relooked. We need to deploy more of our Defence Forces along our border with other countries. I am not sure whether we have enough of them to patrol our borders. It is really a pity for Kenyans to migrate to neighbouring countries. This is really a serious thing. Why would our people migrate to a neighbouring country? The Ministry responsible for maintaining peace and order should have summoned leaders to find a lasting solution to this problem. Whenever a problem erupts we leave it to the communities to handle it themselves. We leave everything to chiefs, district officers and district commissioners to handle the situation. These are techniques that we have always used. I was expecting that during this digital era, the person in charge of security will easily go to that area, sit down with the relevant leaders to know what is happening on the ground. A number of reports normally are given directly from the ground to the national office, but no action is taken. The problem that has been highlighted in the last one week in this country pitting the Pokot and the Turkana communities against each other is as a result of scarcity of resources. I think the real cause is very simple. When policemen are told that somebody has killed someone and they take days and weeks to act, what happens to the people who lost their own? The citizens will react. For example, if a car knocks down somebody, you will see some commotion, where people will react and run towards the car. The vehicle owner can easily be lynched. So, sometimes some things happen when we do not act very fast. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the situation that you saw and heard about is in a small village called Lorokon in West Pokot. Bandits used to kill people in manyattas in Pokot indiscriminately. They would report every other day that killers had gone to the small village and nobody listened to them. When human beings reach a point where they take the law into their The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is an Adjournment Motion concerning an issue of national importance. Most of us who have left home and worked in security positions as district officers, district commissioners and as provincial commissioners are really embarrassed to see what is happening in the country today. I recall that in the 1970s, we had robberies. However, the culture ceased. In northern Kenya, after the fall of the Somalia Government, we had highway robberies that took over the boundaries. However, people in that area live harmoniously without worrying. Today, what are we seeing? We are seeing civilians taking over the role of the bandits and fighting each other without anyone to arbitrate. I was shocked to see people who were travelling in a bus from Lodwar. This bus was literally fired at from all directions. This is not the way that the Government should continue to operate. We see a lot of kidnappings in the country and many other things that have not happened before. The day before yesterday, three people were slaughtered like goats in the area of Utawala. The day before yesterday, a preacher was also slaughtered. He was beheaded in Malindi. Where are we heading? The other day, the youth stormed into a Mosque and literally took over its running. We are told that the police had been summoned. They were there, but did not do anything. In other words, we are condemning the actions being taken by the Al Shabaab in the presence of vulnerable authorities. What we are saying is true. We, as leaders, cannot fail to talk about what is happening. The Government should wake up and make sure that Kenyans are safe. We have been waiting for our road to be constructed since Independence. The Ethiopians have tarmacked their side of the road from Addis Ababa to Moyale. This project was to start 30 years ago. On our side, the road construction has started today. All this is because of insecurity. One wonders, if that gets into the ears of investors, who will stay with us in this country and yet we are talking about Vision 2030? I also want to challenge religious leaders who have been seeing what is happening. There is moral degradation in this country. Our people; whether Muslims or Christians, do not value the lives of others. Unless we have a campaign, from market to market, preaching to change the hearts of people, things will not be good in Kenya. I am a man of very few words. I have been defending the Government here as the Chairman of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations. However, what I have seen in the past one week makes me feel ashamed that such things are happening before our eyes. With those few remarks, I support.
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I will also become a lady of few words. We have been discussing the issue of insecurity for a long time. We have discussed it here and even in Kamukunji. Today, we are yet again on it. We have now adjourned other business of the House to discuss this very important issue. Just like my The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I also want to support this Motion. There seems to be a curse in Marsabit County. Some years ago, because of the insecurity situation in this area, we lost some leaders. One of them who was a dear friend and the former Member of Parliament for Nakuru Town, the late Mirugi Kariuki. The late hon. (Dr.) Godana who was the Deputy Speaker at the National Assembly and Minister for Foreign Affairs at one time was also there. It was thought that the Government delegation that went there would deal with the insecurity in that part of the country once and for all. However, that was never to be. I want to say that once violence is accepted as a way of life, it is difficult to disrupt it. There was a time in Uganda when you could not stop in the city. There was a time in Uganda when you could not stop anywhere in Kampala. If you were not escorted, you were not sure whether you could get to your destination. There was a time when Beirut City was totally in chaos. It took the intervention of the relevant governments to bring peace in Kampala and Beirut. The situation in Marsabit cannot be left to go on. We cannot start wondering why there is insecurity in that part of the world. The Constitution has made it very clear on who is responsible for security. That is the national Government. That is not a shared responsibility. In fact, there are some who have tried as much as possible to make security a responsibility of the two levels of Government. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also want to add my voice to this issue of insecurity in the country. From the outset, I want to correct Sen. Lesuuda’s earlier statement, where she is blaming devolution. I think the blame is not on devolution. The responsibility of ensuring security in this country has been said to be that of the national Government, in particular. There is no need to beat about the bush. I think it is time, we, as Kenyans, admitted that this Government has failed completely in providing security in this country.
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Sen. Murkomen, what is your point of order?
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when Sen. Billow Kerrow was talking about the Deputy President, he was pointing at me. I am a mere Senator for Elgeyo-Marakwet. Why was he pointing at me?
For a minute, he thought you were the Deputy President. You are not!
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also rise to support this adjournment Motion and, indeed, to look at what is happening around the country, especially in Marsabit. I want to put it clearly that it is also important for the leaders of Marsabit to come out clearly. The main challenge they are facing is when you have one clan saying that they have been left out. Indeed, the clan or the tribe must also appreciate that we have moved on and there are people who have been elected as leaders; knowing very well that these are competent leaders who will take care of them. Therefore, it is time they joined hands and worked together. In so doing, we will solve the issue very easily. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to support what Sen. Lesuuda and the Senator for Marsabit County said. They even tabled some pictures from Marsabit where the said Member of Parliament was supervising a lorry which was just about to be burned at that time. This is not the first time that Members from the National Assembly are doing this. They need to know that security is paramount in this country. When you look at the conflicts in Turkana and Pokot, again, it is the Members of the National Assembly who incited members of the public. When you look at the conflict that is going on in Tana River, it is the Members of the National Assembly who incited the public. They should stop fueling conflicts. Instead, they should sit down as leaders and look at how they can address the issues without trying to bring in the tribal, political, the national and county government factors. That is what is happening. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I think that the issue of security is taking a new dimension day by day. This is because when we see a picture of Members of Parliament supervising the burning of a lorry and then no grilling of the same Members of Parliament has taken place, it is a pity. I think that we need to stop these crazy acts. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not know who decided that people must be butchering each other in North Eastern. It has become a norm. It seems like it is not an issue to the security chiefs. This is because I thought that even after that security meeting with the Senate, the chiefs of security would move out of Nairobi and travel to North Eastern and some other parts of the country to inspect the security situation. But it seems like to them, insecurity has become the norm. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is also an indication that the intelligence system is doing very poorly. We cannot just be talking about insecurity and not facing those who are supposed to put mechanisms in place to provide security to the people of this country. Probably, the Government needs to change the security heads so that the security situation in the country can change. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this chance to contribute to this Motion. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support the Motion for Adjournment. It is very sad that I have just seen a tweet from Daily Nation that as we sit here and discuss this important issue, there is even a shooting on Wabera Street right now, where a businessman was attacked in a jewelry shop. One person has actually been shot dead and several others injured. If this can happen at barely midday in Nairobi, then we have a very big problem. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, yesterday night, one of the television stations was showing exclusive photos of the attack on a bus in Turkana. It was very sad to see women scampering for safety, carrying children. They were trying to run away from an attack as the policemen just watched from a distance. It is just disheartening and unacceptable. I think a week or so ago, we, as a House, actually had a meeting with the security men and women in this country. We are still speaking to the same issue. Motions on security have been brought here by Sen. Naisula and Sen. G.G Kariuki, but the situation seems to be out of control. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this has also been demonstrated by the leadership of this country. I know that Sen. Elachi has already spoken to that effect. A few days ago, we saw on The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Nashukuru sana, Bw. Naibu Spika. Nasimama kuunga mkono Hoja hii. Kuna msemo unaosema ya kwamba “Samaki akianza kuoza, huanzia kichwani.” Ikiwa unataka kusimamisha kuoza kuenea katika mwili mzima, basi lazima ukikate kichwa na kukiondoa. Vitengo vyote vya Serikali vina wasimamizi wake. Kwa mfano, kitengo cha Serikali, hasa kitengo cha Ulinzi, kina msimamizi wake. Taifa nzima sasa limeshuhudia mambo yafuatayo ambayo yanahusiana na usalama wa nchi. Kwanza, kutembea barabarani ni shida. Kufanya kazi ni shida na hata kulala ni shida. Ukiona matukio yalioko sasa, kwa mfano, juzi yupo mtu katika Kaunti yangu ya Machakos aliyefanya kazi yake, akatoka kuelekea nyumbani kwake muda wa saa tatu na nusu usiku. Akiwa njiani, alikumbana na majambazi na akauwawa. Maisha yake yakaishia hapo. Jambo la kuhuzunisha ni kuwa hadi leo, bado polisi wanafanya uchunguzi. Bw. Naibu Spika, ukiangalia mambo yaliyofanyika Baragoi na umkumbuke “ofisa” Waiganjo utaona mambo si mazuri. Mtu huyu aliingia katika ndege ya kikoshi cha polisi na kusafiri pamoja na mkuu wa polisi. Walisafiri katika ndege moja. Ni aibu kubwa kwa sababu Serikali haikujua kwamba yeye alikuwa ni mhuni. Ni mkora aliyekuwa na bunduki na The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support the Motion by the honourable Senator for Marsabit. I want all of us to realize that when one portion of this country is hurting, the whole country is hurting. In the recent past, we have experienced lawlessness and killings across our counties. It started some time ago; it was in Tana River where a lot of people were killed in inter- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have been trying to talk to this Motion because I have a similar Motion currently which is more elaborate and not for a specific area. I think I am persuaded by the debate that I need to say something about this. I do not think we have any quarrel with the current Government or anybody because this Government has only been in office for less than eight months. Therefore, we would be out of order in a way to start criticizing the Head of State and the Deputy President over this matter. But it has to be known that this country has a big problem. In fact, Uhuru and his Deputy---
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Okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. President Uhuru Kenyatta and the Deputy President can do good service to this country if they forget so many other issues although I know that they have problems. This issue of insecurity in this country will put us in a position where we shall not be able to come out of it. I am not just saying it for the sake of it because I have studied about international terrorism and things like that. For example, if people decided to take over a certain Government office, there is no security agency in this country to stop them. They will just march there and do anything that they want to. Who are we going to appeal to if Sen. Haji, a person I respect so much, especially when it comes to security matters and the former Provincial Commissioner, cannot be given an opportunity to speak to the President on issues affecting this country? I think we are failing somewhere. I cannot fail to say that this country has enemies. Those enemies are within us and they are working. I have studied foreign affairs in the whole world and I can tell you for sure that this country can just be taken over by criminals in a very simple way because we, as leaders of this country, have been penetrated by foreign agents and we are not aware. I think we are in big problems. This is a situation that has brought the Chairman of the Committee on National Security to the point of despair; what do you expect? If it was in the United States or any other developed country, this matter would have been taken very seriously. Here we just talk about it. That is why I brought my Motion. We just talk and that matter dies there. We need to do something to assist His Excellency the President and his Deputy and this country and the citizens of Kenya by trying to put right the security of this country. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when we talk about Vision 2030, how are we going to achieve that kind of thing? Those are dreams unless we know whether we are secure or not. Who is going to spend his money in this country? For example, if I wanted to build a 20 storied house, I would consider very critically whether I will be in my right mind to do that when I see insecurity every day. I pray that hon. Senators will come in the afternoon and talk about the Motion that is coming up in the afternoon; let us talk about it and even amend it. Whether you want to appoint a select committee I do not mind, but I do not want any confrontation with the select committee. I want a committee that will review our security first and see what we have done and whether we have anything that we can add to it. We should not stop at anything. We should bring on board everybody whom we think can assist this country be it from China, Britain, America and everywhere else. We have to talk to these people and know how they have tackled insecurity in their countries. China has a population of 1.3 billion people. They survive. Britain has about 450 million people and they can survive without much problem. We are only 40 million people and yet we cannot bring our heads together because of insecurity. Where have we failed? I do not want to blame any person who has been given a position. There was no other way of promoting those people other than through the Constitution, but unfortunately, they are the same people. We do not want to condemn them, but give them the right direction and manage them well and we are going to see the results. The top guys I see in the military, police and other security agencies, I know them very well. They are capable of doing what is supposed to be done, but they cannot work comfortably because of the baggage which is on their shoulders. They are not allowed to move anywhere because of tribalism and corruption here and there. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this chance to contribute to this Motion. I thank the Mover of this Motion because this is something of concern to all Kenyans. As leaders, it is our responsibility to ensure that our country is safe. We should ensure that all citizens are safe to live anywhere in the country and that their properties and lives are safe. However, it is of great concern that things are moving from bad to worse. As the Mover of the Motion has said, there is a lot of insecurity in Marsabit. As we all know, these are people who have coexisted and lived in peace before. However, you wonder what is going on. This is not just happening in Marsabit but in other parts of the country. Start with Nairobi, in broad light; you will see many things happening. Taxi drivers are afraid to operate. Once they drop off passengers, they also go through incidences. You will hear that gangs approached their clients and you wonder why this is happening. Sadly, these are young people who are below 45 years. The gangs are spread in the rural areas and villages. Where life was peaceful, it has now become very dangerous. The situation is very insecure and I wonder what is happening. We have to take charge and give ideas. We have the capability and professionalism. We have the capacity to handle the situation. I remember sometime back when there was a lot of insecurity around Nairobi. The late Mr. Patrick Shaw dealt with them. The courts kept on saying that the police had not carried out proper investigations and the criminals would be discharged. The former Police Commissioner, Retired Maj-Gen. Ali, also dealt with security issues and they were curbed. We know the current leadership of the security personnel can also handle the situation. I wonder what we can do to help them. We have taken this seriously. The Senate came out the other day and gave ideas. We discussed and now it is time to implement. What is going on? This insecurity is still continuing. When we leave our houses in the morning, our children can no longer play as they used to. We cannot allow them to have fun in public places because we are scared. We cannot live like that. We are independent and a very civilized society. What do we want? Elections are over. Ordinarily, we knew that when it was time for elections, politicians would play around with people and throw others out. Elections are over. We are moving on. It is time to lead our country and not to destroy it. So, why is there a lot of insecurity? What do these people want? Are we being invaded? Are there foreigners or people who are trying to take over our country? We have to ask ourselves such questions and deal with it. As Sen. G.G. Kariuki has said, let us deal with ways of overhauling the systems. Let us get the best practices. I hope that the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations has had an opportunity to go out and benchmark and get the best practices so that we bring these ideas on board to improve our country and curb insecurity before it becomes worse. Do we need foreign aid? Do we need the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and other agencies like the masters who colonized us? I do not think so. We can manage. We need to be very firm and to deal with these people. The ideas being fronted of knowing our neighbours should be embraced. Sometimes the people we are living with are not our neighbours. We have had sons, brothers, sisters and uncles being trained into terrorism. Can we speak up? Why can we not speak up? Is it because of the love of money? What makes us allow the bad habits in our society? With those few remarks, I support. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. It is sad that almost simultaneously, we have two Motions running on the same issue of security. We started this yesterday with Sen. G.G. Kariuki’s Motion. Today, we have a Motion of Adjournment to discuss insecurity with the specific case of Marsabit. The situations that have been described are very sad. The sovereignty of a country is enjoyed when there is security and that should run across all the counties. These problems are not the same. They are specific. Across all the counties, there are various sets of problems and differences in the way they are emanated and the tensions that play out. For example, there are religious tensions like what happened in Mombasa County. It could be out of ethnic tension, for instance, what is happening in Turkana and Pokot counties. These could be petty crimes or opportunistic crimes as it is happening in the city centre. As I spoke today with Sen. Martha Wangari, we realized that one person had already died along Wabera Street. Nobody is safe in Kenya. We have our sovereignty and our security forces that we believe are well trained and organized. There is something very wrong happening and the worst thing is that nobody is taking responsibility. If we are having this kind of insecurity when we are at peace, what will happen when we have a higher scaled up level of inter ethnic conflict within the country? I think we are sending the wrong message to the youth and to other people. Young people are maimed and young women defiled. It seems as if we have a group that has come up which can do anything anywhere and get away with it. It is as though we are having a terrorist attack within a terrorist attack every other day in this country. I think it is not enough to sit and discuss these issues somewhere along the line. I thought we had found a way forward when we had discussions with various security personnel within the Senate. I suspect now, in retrospect, that we did not get a way forward on how to move on. We are recycling and getting old solutions coming through over and over again. We are still asking questions because we have to look at this from a two point approach. One, look at all what is going wrong. On one side, we have policemen who are trained who can do their job very well. We have people who should have been properly vetted to join the system. However, nothing is going on. We still have high levels of insecurity. So, we need to turn and look adversely on what could be going wrong. Is it our level of moral decadence that is jeopardising security in this country even more? Is it our level of lack of passion in what we do? You can have the best trained officers with the best equipment. If it took 11 people to make a difference and 1,000 police forces who could not make a difference, then we must ask ourselves how these people were vetted and if they have the passion. How did they come in? Do they have the zest? Are they ready to defend? Do they have determination? Are they putting lives first when all they are doing is standing and watching? Apart from watching and waiting, they are now also part of the perpetrators as we have heard in the reports we have been receiving. I think we are in serious trouble. We are in more serious trouble when we know that the vetting process is not done well. Criminals have legalised themselves and are even joining security forces. Kenya and Rwanda are not very different. However, Rwanda has come from a sense of insecurity and conflict to a sense of tranquility. A woman can walk in the streets of Rwanda at midnight; she does not have to look left, right, centre or back to see if there is anyone dangerous following her. You cannot do that in Kenya. We were shown clips taken along Uhuru Highway of people who were stealing mobile phones in broad daylight. I do not understand what the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
On a point of information, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.
Yes, Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo, I would like to be informed.
Well, you will be informed, but your time is almost up.
So, can I continue?
You said you wanted to be informed.
I did not know that my time was up.
Unfortunately, you are bound.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to inform my colleague that in the clip that she just mentioned that was on Nation Television, the very bold notorious phone snatchers in Uhuru Park, they said that they did the survey for three months and the police were informed, but nothing took place. This means that something has failed in our police mechanism systems even right at the top here in Nairobi.
Thank you, professor for that information and for highlighting the issue. My time is up and I beg to stop.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to support this Motion and say that the security situation in our country is, indeed, worrying. It has been developing over time. If we continue at the rate and direction that we are moving, we do not really foresee the good future of this country. Even what we are talking about in Vision 2030 may end up just being nothing but a dream. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the previous speakers have talked on many issues and I may not wish to go into them. When we look at it, the summary of it is that there is something definitely wrong in the security system. Here we have talked about individuals, but I think this goes beyond mere individuals. I know the people who are heading or manning senior positions in our security organs. They are very qualified and are equal to the task, but if you were to interview them today on any issue even if you summoned them, each one of them will acquit himself or herself. Each one of them will say I did this or that legally which is required by law and, at the end of the day, none will be found to be culpable. It is because, perhaps, the system itself that is in place does not facilitate effective discharge of their duties. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on the issue of Marsabit in northern Kenya, sometimes insecurity is a matter of scarce resources. Sometimes it is just a question of ethnic conflicts. Some of the underlying issues are beyond what we would call matters of policing. There are underlying causes. Some of these underlying causes are either political or land issues and so The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate
Order, Senator! Time is up!
Order, Senators! That brings us to the end of today’s business. The House is, therefore, adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 12.30 p.m. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate