Order Members, I have a communication on a

to address the concerns on the implementation of the Members’ Medical Scheme Hon. Senators, in recent times, a number of Members have raised concerns about the implementation of the Members’ Medical Scheme ranging from the entitlements to Members, administration and management of the scheme. The Parliamentary Service Commission recently held a meeting with the management of the scheme administrators M/s AON Kenya Insurance Brokers, Limited. It has been agreed that the top management of AON Kenya Insurance Brokers Limited attend and brief a joint Kamkunji between the two Houses on Thursday, 12th March, 2015, at 10.00 a.m. in the National Assembly Chambers. Hon. Senators, this is, therefore a request to all of you to mark it in your diary and attend this special Kamukunji . All concerns and questions regarding the medical scheme will be addressed during the said Kamukunji. Thank you.

(Hon.) Ethuro: What is it Sen. Kembi-Gitura?

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I wish to seek your direction on the Petitions that we brought here in the last Session, because Petitions are supposed to be answered to within 60 days from the date they were tabled in the House. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Petitions do not lapse; so, all the committees with Petitions from the last Session can proceed to table their reports. So, that inconvenience does not arise. But I am sure 60 days have lapsed since the end of the last Session. So, this is to encourage committees to expedite those Petitions so that they are tabled.

Thank you very much Speaker, Sir. I am very grateful to your direction because there are so many outstanding Petitions. The law clearly talks about 60 days and I do not remember of any, except maybe one or two Petitions that we have had an answer from the Floor of the House. I would like to seek your indulgence, as the Speaker of this House to make it clear to the committees that this is a legal obligation that they have and that the Standing Orders talk about 60 days by which time the answers to the Petitions must be brought. The people are waiting and they want us to tell them what became of their Petitions. I have a Petition for Murang’a County on tea issues and I know that my colleague and friend, Sen. Obure and a good number of other Senators have issues. So, it is important that the committees take their work seriously and give the answers or responses to those Petitions.

That is well put.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a follow up on the issue raised by Sen. Kembi-Gitura. I am looking at Standing Order No.227 (2) which states:- “Whenever a Petition is committed to a Standing Committee, the Committee shall, in not more than sixty calendar days from the time of reading of the prayer, respond to the petitioner by way of a report addressed to the petitioner or petitioners and laid on the Table of the Senate and no debate on or in relation to the report shall be allowed, but the Speaker, may, in exceptional circumstances, allow comments or observations in relation to the Petition for not more than 20 minutes.” In view of this Standing Order which is very explicit and in which the word “shall”, has been used, the 60 days stipulated have already elapsed. Will the time still be valid or do we have to do this afresh to meet the requirement of this Standing Order?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have already addressed some of my concerns through your direction. However, I want to support Sen. Kembi-Gitura from Murang’a and to stress the fact that there is a lot of anxiety out there. Tea farmers, in particular, have been waiting for the outcome of their Petition. I am aware that the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries has done some work on this. I am The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

.: Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights completed work on two Petitions in November last year. When we inquired from our Secretariat, we were told that the petitions were pending in the Office of the Clerk. As you give direction, you should consider that some of the hard working committees have done their work and, therefore, some of those things are stuck due to the bureaucracies in the offices. In your direction, we should know whether the 60 days include the time when the bureaucracy is not working well.

Order, hon. Senators. I will start with the last. The 60 days, from my understanding will include the bureaucracy. Without bureaucracy, one cannot move. The bureaucracy should be alive to the matter more than the Members are. That is a serious breach. For Sen. Khaniri, the breach is already there. There is nothing you can do now except to try to mitigate for all the reasons that Sen. Chris Obure and Sen. Kembi-Gitura have alluded to; that these things come from people. The people need to get their reports back. You cannot go back to ask them to re-petition. In recognition of that, in the last Session, out of nine Petitions, we satisfactory carried five. Therefore, there were about four remaining. I direct that committees dealing with those Petitions have 15 days to report back to the House. We have also taken administrative measures. If committees have pending business they may not be allowed to proceed with any additional business.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table:- Report of the Controller of Budget on the County Budget Implementation Review during the first quarter of Financial Year 2014/2015

We will begin with the requests first then we go to the responses. Do we have any that are ready? Sen. Khaniri, you seem to be more than ready.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.45(2)(b) to seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Legal Affairs and The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am a Member of that Committee. However, Sen. Adan is more senior, because she is the Vice Chairperson of the Committee.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. That is a very serious issue. I notice that it dovetails very well with the Motion of Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. It is a very urgent issue. As a Committee, we shall endeavor to look into it and give an answer in two weeks’ time.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am okay with two weeks’ time.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for reiterating my name in the right way. On most of the Senate records, I see my name evolving to Sen. Hassan Omar Hassan. I rise to seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget on the following:- (1) Whether the Chairperson is aware that there are a number of county assemblies that are grinding to a halt in operations and are unable to pay their Members and staff because of the budget ceilings that have been imposed by the Commission for Revenue Allocation (CRA). (2) Whether the Chairperson is aware that the Controller of Budget has refused to finance county assemblies unless they comply with the said ceilings set by the CRA. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Signed by Sen. Hassan Omar Hassan, Senator for Mombasa County on 5th March, 2015.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I said that you are the only person who keeps calling me on record accurately. My records in the Senate are evolving. I am now being referred to as Omar Hassan Hassan, outside Hassan Omar Hassan. I can see the Clerk of the Senate is here. I hope he has noted the changes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am rising to seek guidance from the Chair. If the same committee that has requested Sen. Hassan to seek that Statement have already presented themselves before a Committee of this House, have been given audience and their concerns responded to, canvassing precisely the same issues, where does that leave this particular Statement?

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This is a request for a Statement not from anybody, but from Sen. Hassan Omar Hassan, to the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget. I have not canvassed any of these issues with that Committee. Even if these matters have been canvassed before the Committee, they have not presented a report. Therefore, it is a valid Statement.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like my able deputy to respond on my behalf.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Sen. Hassan asked whether the Committee is aware. I believe that we are aware. As Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale said, we are working on it and we should be able to unlock that within two weeks.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are meeting with the Controller of Budget next week on Tuesday. The main purpose is to unlock the stalemate.

(Hon. Ethuro)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we can give the report on Thursday next week.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am satisfied.

I hope your satisfaction will continue for the rest of the Session. Sen. (Dr.) Kuti, my system is back so you can make your request. IMMINENT BORDER CONFLICT BETWEEN ISIOLO COUNTY AND MERU COUNTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand to seek a Statement from the Chairman of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations on a matter that is very urgent and serious. Right now Isiolo is on fire because of some serious border issues that might cause conflict between the communities in Isiolo County and Meru County. In the Statement, I would like the Chairman to highlight the following:- (1) Whether he is aware that there is a Nanyuki Accord that was made in 2013 between the counties of Isiolo and Meru where both parties were to keep off that border until a survey is conducted and the positioning of the border points are done; (2) Why the Governor of Meru has repeatedly ignored this Accord and continues to incite Isiolo people by erecting border posts and check-points in the areas that the Accord said we should not interfere with. (3) Whether the Chairman is aware that yesterday a big billboard was put just outside Isiolo Town that has incited the community to the extent that security is now at breach and that at any time there is going to be a conflict which has been ignited by this billboard which was erected saying: “Welcome to Meru County”. This billboard was erected in the middle of Isiolo Town. This is a serious provocation and, in fact, the communities have even demonstrated. I would like the Chairman to be fully aware that any time, things will fall apart because the Governor of Meru keeps inciting Isiolo people. We have tried as much as possible to follow the Accord but the communities are now getting out of our hands. If The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Chair.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am aware there has been a border dispute between Meru and Isiolo. I am aware that leaders have been meeting over it but I have not seen the Accord signed in Nanyuki. However, the Statement sought by Sen. (Dr.) Kuti is quite valid and a very serious one. I will attempt to respond to it on Tuesday in view of the seriousness. I want the Clerk’s Office to help me write a letter to the Office of the President to give us that Statement urgently in order for me to issue the Statement on Tuesday.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to echo the point raised by Sen. (Dr.) Kuti, particularly in his last Statement. Rather than say that the violence is being incited by the Governor of Meru, the question should read: “Is the Government aware that the violence is being incited by the Governor of Meru?”

Sorry, Sen. Hassan, what did you say?

Mr. Speaker, Sir. Sen. (Dr.) Kuti said with finality when he was seeking the Statement that the violence has been incited by the Governor of Meru. So, I have asked him to paraphrase his Statement to read: “Is the Government aware that the Governor of Meru is inciting the violence?” This is in order to give room for investigation.

Order, Senator. Whatever assertion a Member makes will not compel the Committee to move in that direction. The Committee will still undertake investigations and confirm whether that is the correct position or otherwise. So, I do not think he needs to do anything. It is so ordered, Mr. Chairman. Sen. Elachi! STANDOFF BETWEEN MEDIA HOUSES AND THE COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY OF KENYA

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I seek this Statement, I want to thank the three media houses that are coming back on air at 7.00 p.m. today. I want to seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Information and Technology regarding the recent stand-off between media houses and the Communication Authority of Kenya. In the Statement, the Chairperson should address the following issues:- (1) Whether the Authority have the capacity to administer and enforce frequencies distribution. (2) How the Authority will avert the immense proliferation of set top boxes by different providers due to lack of control. (3) How the Authority will handle issues of frequent price adjustments for pay television channels considering that Kenya is a free market economy. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think we need your direction on that Statement sought by the Majority Whip. I know that the Committee led by Sen. Wako has had several meetings with both the Communication Authority of Kenya (CAK) and the Media Council with a view to looking into this issue. I know that the Committee is in the process of compiling a report for the House on those issues. Is this not going to be duplication if the same Committee, in which I serve, is now asked to issue a specific Statement and yet the matters are already being canvassed?

Senator Hassan.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, while I associate myself with the comments by the Deputy Speaker, I want to seek further clarification. The Committee should tell us who the Kenyan shareholders are by name and give us the identity of Pan-Africa Network Group (PANG).

I have a feeling of what Sen. Murkomen and Sen. Kembi-Gitura want to say. We will sort it out, then if you have not determined your matter, you can come back.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank Sen. Elachi for seeking such an important Statement. Allow me to request further that the Chairperson explains to this House why the Authority, which is a Government Authority is going out of its way to frustrate local entrepreneurs who have an interest in this particular business. Instead they are promoting entrepreneurs from South Africa and China.

Order, order, Senators. I am actually surprised that after Sen. Kembi-Gitura explained the matter, Sen. Hassan, while associating with the same Statement went opposite. That was also repeated by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. Let me refer you to Standing Order No. 89 which states:- “No Senator shall refer to the substance of the proceedings of a Select Committee before the Committee has made its report to the Senate.” The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

I am not sure whether I want to allow this after I have given such elaborate explanation which was even not necessary. I only needed to refer you to the Standing Order No. 89. There should be no other matter arising. In any case, if I am talking and Senators are responding to me, that is very discourteous to the Chair. Let us proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, since I came to the Senate, you have also been a mentor and a teacher to me. I just want to know whether within the meaning of this Standing Order, a Standing Committee would be a Select Committee. It talks about a “Select Committee” but not a “Standing Committee.”

Let us hear Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale now that the Floor has been opened.

On a point of order

My ruling is consistent. The Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget itself did not object. The Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights has objected. So, it is up to the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget to tell us whether the issues raised in that Petition are the same ones. You see, the way they proceeded is that they were meeting the Controller of Budget on Tuesday. So, they were not going to bring the matter until they have concluded it. My understanding was that by the time they come back on Thursday, which we agreed, they would have already concluded the proceedings. That is different. That is the same direction I have given to the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights. They should take that into account just like the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget will take into account what Sen. Hassan had asked. They will bring the same once they have finished their proceedings. What is inconsistent there? I have put my case and that is final. Sen. Hassan, thank you for giving me the opportunity to continue mentoring and teaching you. If you look at your Standing Order No. 208 (1), this is about appointment of Standing Committees. It states:- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, perhaps I heard it wrong but the question that was asked by Sen. Elachi was to the Committee on Information and Technology. My senior, the Senator for Murang’a County answered the question. I do not know whether you have varied the question in so far as where it should go.

I have varied.

Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir.

That was her intention but another Committee of the same House confirmed that it is ceased of the matter. So, we have re-routed it there. STATUS OF GOVERNMENT’S MOBILISATION OF RESOURCES TO HANDLE ONGOING THREAT OF TERRORISM IN MANDERA COUNTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations on the status of the Government’s mobilisation of resources to handle the ongoing threat of terrorists in Mandera County. The Statement should address the following issues:- (a) how much financial resources have been allocated to security agencies in the county for the operations; (b) how many serviceable motor-vehicles, excluding trucks, and armored personnel carriers have been mobilised since last year in the county; (c) the number of security personnel in the county deployed to specifically deal with the terrorist threat. (d) what actions are being taken by the Government to address the border insecurity affecting Mandera town itself; and lastly, (e) what strategies the Government has adopted since last year’s bus and quarry killings to prevent similar attacks from happening.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I need a week. Will that be alright?

It is so ordered. Finally, the Senate Majority Leader. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to issue a Statement under Standing Order No.45 regarding next week’s business. On Tuesday next week we will have the usual Rules and Business Committee (RBC) meeting at 12.00 p.m. Subject to the directions of the RBC, the House will discuss business that will not be concluded in today’s Order Paper. On Wednesday, we will continue with business that will not be concluded on Tuesday next week and any other business that will be scheduled by the RBC. Following the decision recently of the RBC, where it was decided that Motions be given priority on Thursdays, on Thursday 12th March, 2015, the House is expected to debate a number of Motions including but not limited to the following Motions:- 1. Motion by Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. on initiation of legislation to provide for the establishment of an independent Commission of Inquiry into the boundaries of counties. 2. Motion by Sen. (Dr.) Agnes Zani on re-classification of all secondary schools as county schools. 3. Motion by Sen. (Dr.) Wilfred Machage on review of existing legislation to take care of dementia patients. On Thursday, the Senate will also continue considering any other business, including consideration of the various Bills that are going through Second Reading and Committee of the Whole. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to take this opportunity to thank the hon. Senators for working very hard in the last few days and approving a number of critical reports, including the following:- 1. The Report of the Standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget regarding the Budget Policy Statement for 2015. 2. The Report of the Sessional Committee on Devolved Government on the suitability of the nominees to the Commission of Inquiry into the Petition to dissolve Makueni County Government. 3. The joint reports on the nominee for appointment to the position of the Inspector-General of the National Police Service. Mr. Speaker, Sir, at this juncture, I want to appeal to Senators that we should keep the same spirit. We continue to require the requisite numbers to be able to transact business, especially concerning Bills, and so far, so good. We are hopeful that if we continue in this spirit, this year will be a remarkable Session in terms of delivery by this House. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I now lay this Statement on the Table of the House. Thank you.

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Sen. (Dr.) Zani is not present. Who wishes to contribute? Sen. Wangari!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Motion right from the beginning, especially coming from the Senator for Makueni. I can attest that he has been through a very interesting period in terms of issues of boundaries. As a Member of the Committee on Lands and Natural Resources, we have had very many issues concerning boundaries. Even today as we listened to the Statements being sought by Senators, there are already other issues that have arisen between Vihiga and Kisumu counties and between Isiolo and Meru counties. During the colonial era we did not have issues with boundaries. People were staying in villages. We of course graduated after the colonial era to actually now get administrative boundaries. With time they have metamorphosized into political boundaries. Now with devolution it is The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, Thank you, for giving me this opportunity so that I can make a few remarks. Boundary disputes between counties have the potential to affect and disrupt the activities of county governments. Where there is a dispute over a boundary between two or more counties, the counties involved are most likely to divert most of their attention in trying to seek settlement to the disputes instead of focusing on service delivery to the citizens because that is there core mandate and function. It is in this spirit that I support this Motion, initiated and moved very ably by Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. We all recall that before we adopted the present Constitution, there was serious debate on how to identify the current 47 counties, how they were going to be formed, the criteria for determining the boundaries and issues of that nature. They were debated at length and they were very hot issues at that time. That debate was not concluded but a compromise was reached to adopt the Provinces and Districts Act of 1992, which had created 47 districts as the basis for the current 47counties. While we all accept that this compromise has served us well over the short period since the adoption of the Constitution, we are also aware that there are people among us who may not be satisfied with that compromise because they feel that it was arbitrary and it had no sound basis. The districts which gave rise to the counties were actually created through an administrative action, many of them at the request of communities, some of them on the basis of influence by politicians and others were formed as an attempt to put together people who share a common interests. Therefore, there was no scientific criteria or formula which was generally accepted which informed the creation of these districts. The districts therefore left a lot of room for possible disputes over boundaries and we are beginning to see some of the disputes between counties around the country. There is need for the establishment of an independent commission to hear and determine such disputes where they genuinely exist. However, I wish to throw some caution at this point because that could open up old wounds including wounds which may have healed by now. I have seen that since the introduction of this Motion in this House by Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., a week or so ago, I have started hearing some of these disputes which we have not been hearing about. In The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to also contribute towards this Motion. This Motion is important, pertinent and is coming at a time when many communities are wondering about their placement, especially after the scramble for boundaries. This is as old as the scramble for boundaries itself, which started in 1895 in a Brussels Conference which was held in Belgium. That was the time when many Europeans came to scramble for African colonies. They came in Africa and they carved out various colonies for themselves, including East Africa which became a protectorate in 1895. After 1895, there was the creation of Kenya which became a colony in 1920. From that time, there was now the possibility of various districts and provinces to be positioned at that time. Since that time, we have had a lot of changes. What happened then was that the districts and provinces were to be fixed according to ethnicity, population and the economic activities of the said communities. For example, at the same time in the 1920s, a part of the former Eastern Province was called Southern Province and it included Machakos and the Akamba lands. There was another one called Northern Province, which included Meru and the rest of the other places in that region. With time, we have had quite a number of boundary changes depending on the needs and wishes of the people living in those areas. So, this is not a new thing which is coming from my friend, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. This Motion is timely because it is coming at a time when Kenyans are living in a dynamic country. It is coming at a time when many districts are being curved out and many regions have also disappeared. We had regions like Central Province, which are no longer there now. So, we are afraid that if such Motions do not come here, we will then be left wondering what happens after the creation of the districts and provinces, which have already been deleted from the map. Those changes are, therefore, welcome. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we used to have regions like Central, Nyanza, Western, Coast provinces and the like; but now, we are having regions called counties. We now have 47 counties from the former very many districts which are represented here by Senators. It is, therefore, prudent to note that in these changes, we need to look into the exact positions that counties have. I have a point in case; at one time, Kirinyaga extended up to the boundaries of Machakos and Embu. In the 1960s when there were changes, Embu The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Right from the outset let me start by congratulating Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., for bringing this very important Motion before this House. Not so long ago; this afternoon during the time for Statements, my friend, Sen. Khaniri raised an issue which on the face of it, may look like it is a small issue of a church parish split into two by the issue of a boundary between counties. These are issues that are continuing and are going to continue until this commission which has been contemplated by the Constitution sits down and comes out with final solutions on how the boundaries of this country are, because it is only that Commission, set under the Senate, that can sort out the issue of boundaries once and for all. Mr. Speaker, Sir, since we were constituted as a Senate, there have been many Statements sought and questions asked on boundary issues. Not so long ago, there was a Statement sought about the boundaries of Malili Techno City, which is a very important city under Vision 2030. Apparently, the Statement which was sought has not been given to date and is still being awaited by this House. Like Sen. Karaba has said, the issue of boundaries goes back to history and, currently, there are many counties and former districts where the boundaries are unclear. It is important that, to stop conflict, these boundary issues must be settled once and for all. The Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations, in which I serve, led by Sen. Haji, recently visited the conflict areas of Kapedo and some areas in Laikipia and Baringo with a view to understanding these boundary disputes, which have been the source of conflict invariably. In Kapedo, we had the occasion to talk to all communities from West Pokot, Turkana and Baringo to see where the problem was. We immediately saw that it is an extremely emotive situation whereby the people and the leaders who came to see us told us that they believed that what needs to be done to sought out this problems once and for all, is for us as the Senate, to set the boundaries so that we know where the lines are drawn so that anybody crossing that line knows that they are The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Sen. Wako, you have only four minutes because at exactly 4.00 p.m., the Mover will be called upon to reply.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I hope it will take me lesser time. This is a very important Motion being moved by a Member of my Committee, one Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. This is a problem which I handled a bit as soon as I was appointed the Attorney-General of the Republic and at least five districts had been constituted in addition to the 42 districts which were there at the time of Independence and yet there were no boundaries. That is why as the Motion states, we created the delineation of administrative districts as provided for under the Provinces and Districts Act of 1992, which I moved in Parliament. In moving that particular Bill in Parliament, I made sure that the boundary of each district was clearly set out. If you look at the Act, the big body of it is about delineation of the boundaries of each and every district. What happened after 1992 is that more districts were constituted, but the boundaries of those districts up to today have not been delineated, as required by the laws of this country. That is why we are having this particular problem. That is why I support this Bill; that in the creation of the new The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

The Mover should now reply.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your consent, I will donate the 15 minutes in reply to the Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Wetangula, Sen. Munyes, Sen. Mositet and Sen. (Dr.) Kuti. Each could take about three to four minutes so that I respond after that.

They cannot take three to four minutes. You have to be specific. Otherwise, how much time do you want for yourself?

The Senate Minority Leader can take five minutes and the rest can share out up to two minutes each.

That is fine. I direct the Clerks-at- the-Table to ensure that the timing is done properly so that we do not lose any time at all. Sen. Wetangula, you have five minutes.

Thank you Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will be very quick. I thank the Senator for bringing this Motion. I was just talking to him. Looking at the Constitution, we probably would have set up a commission without bringing a Bill. However, it is neater to bring a Bill so that we set, clearly, the parameters within which to operate. The amendment of Article 188 does not necessarily need a Bill. As we pass the Motion, we must appreciate that there are many flashpoints between counties. The Kakamega-Nandi boundary is a problem. I heard hon. Sen. Khaniri talk about the Vihiga- Kisumu boundary. We also have Turkana-Pokot, the Pokot-Baringo, the Isiolo-Meru counties boundaries and many other places. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will start by thanking the Mover of this Motion for his greatness in bringing this Motion. I am grateful because for a long time, this country has played politics using boundaries. Kenya has lacked the right political will to deal with matters of boundaries. I have an issue with the variance between the colonial boundaries and what Sen. Amos Wako is referring to as the Provincial and District Act of 1992. My people in Turkana would want to push this issue behind a bit. Turkana was, for instance, known as the Rudolf Province. I would not want my people to be put back under the former province which includes Laikipia. However, in addressing these problems, we will end conflicts in our regions. We have 22 disputed points along the Baringo-West Pokot-Turkana Border. We have 22 disputed towns. This has created the conflict we see.

Thank you Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would like to thank Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. for bringing this Motion and for donating two minutes to me. I would like to go back to the issue of the colonial border and the 1992 Commission. There The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I thank Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. for bringing this Motion. It is a Motion that should have come immediately we were sworn in as Senators. As Article 96 states, one of our major roles is to protect our counties. Therefore, we seriously need to know our boundaries. Let me also state that we also have some few problems in our county. I can just state one area. Each and every person in this country knows very well that the boundary between Kajiado County and Machakos County is supposed to be the railway line. It is really hurting to note that up to 1974, people in Athi River used to pay their rates in Kajiado. They included the Kenya Meat Commission (KMC), East African Portland Cement and quite a number of other industries. However, when the late Hon. Ngei served as the Minister for Lands, he decided to change the boundaries and quite a big chunk of our land went to Machakos County. It is even said that where my Governor lives is in Machakos County and quite a number of people are still there. I think this Commission will really do us good. It will make sure that at least each and every county knows it boundaries. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as the Senator for Busia mentioned, in 1992 there were a lot of politics at that time and the powerful man of the land at that time wanted to demarcate his own area. So, as much as it is still in existence in law, it was a political one. I beg to support.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have taken note of the Senators’ contributions and I thank them for the great interest that they have had in this Motion. I am going to ask the Secretariat to extract the HANSARD proceedings so that we can forward it to the Committee. I want to assure the Senators that we already have a draft Bill on the way. Therefore, we will most likely come back sooner than the 90 days. I also want to request the leadership that once we are done, we can have a retreat or a session where we can brief all the Senators on the Bill that we have come up with. I have heard of the misgivings by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, but I want to assure him that the work we are going to do in the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights is to come up with proper mechanisms and legislation so that all the fears that we have heard from the Senators, including Sen. Obure are taken care of. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Order Members! Debate on the Motion is over and I should be putting the Question. I am satisfied that this is a Motion that affects counties and, therefore, we are going to vote by Delegations. Before I put the Question, I would like to know whether we have a threshold or how we are going to go about it.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that under Standing Orders No. 54(3) that you defer putting of the Question to Wednesday next week when we have quorum to vote.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is about the formation of a commission. Why would the formation of a commission be a county matter?

I have already made a ruling on that. Are you testing my ruling or what would you like me to do?

Order Sen. Hassan. This is a House in which order must prevail. I do not think that it is right for you to be shouting across the divide at Sen. (Dr.) Kuti. Sen. (Dr.) Kuti, you were listening when I said that this concerns counties. You saw me stand up, make that ruling and sit down. Are you testing that ruling?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I just needed your guidance.

You do not seek guidance once I have made a ruling. I have said that it concerns counties.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I entirely agree with your ruling, but just for purposes of orderliness in the House. I wonder whether the Chair would allow the Members, in matters of this nature, to ventilate whether an issue concerns counties; to give people a chance to demonstrate whether a matter concerns counties or otherwise. Whereas the Chair has the final word, I think it would be important The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Thank you for allowing me to also enjoin the point that Sen. Orengo has raised. Both the Constitution and the Standing Orders define and give direction on how we vote in this House. In each case, the decision as to what concerns counties, and I am not challenging your ruling on this Motion at all, but we will want a reasoned direction that can bring order and clear thinking in the House. As to what concerns counties, it is grounded in Article 123 of the Constitution about voting in the House and then in our Standing Order No.73 that also states how we vote. It is not, both in the Standing Orders and in the Constitution, the sole discretion of the Chair to decide what concerns counties.

Order, Sen. Wetangula. I heard what Sen. Orengo had to say but you are saying that it is not the sole prerogative of the Speaker to rule on this issue. I want to know whether you are making a general statement or you are talking about the specific situation in which we are in now, in which case I have already made a ruling. Is it for the future or for this specific one?

If you could hear me---

I have heard you and I have also heard what Sen. Orengo said. The question I am asking is, and I want to be clear, I have made a ruling on this issue already and I have said it concerns counties. You started by saying you agree with me and so is Sen. Orengo. Are you saying that I made a mistake or are you talking about now or the future?

If you listen to me, you will see the direction I am taking. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

I have seen the direction you are taking but if you want me to make a reasoned ruling on this issue, this is not the time to make that application and you are not contesting. If it is an issue for the future that you would like the House to get seized of so that in future when we are talking about what affects or does not affect counties, the Members are involved in the making of that decision, then this is not the correct forum.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, since you gave me a few minutes---

I did not; you rose on a point of order.

Yes, it is a point of order. Allow me to prosecute it very briefly.

Yes, but I must understand.

I am not challenging the ruling you made.

Perfect. I understand that but I am asking you again, if it is not for this purpose, and you are the Leader of the Minority, if you wish to challenge this issue or to have it clarified, I am sure you know very well that the forum is not now. It could be the next sitting day or you could rise in your place and say what you want to say.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I know you did, if you read a book called Song of Lawino by Okot P’Bitek, he says:- “There is no fixed time for breastfeeding; children are fed when they cry”

Who is crying now, Sen. Wetangula?

I am crying.

Who is crying now? I am sorry but I will bring this to an end. Who is crying?

I am the one crying.

You are not crying because each child will cry at its own right time.

Please give me two minutes I finish my point.

No. Please sit down, Sen. Wetangula. There is no breastfeeding today as it were. There is no breastfeeding today.

Let me say that Article 123(2) states very clearly that when the Senate is to vote on any matter other than a Bill, the Speaker shall rule on whether the matter affects or does not affect counties. Our Standing Order No.72(1) says that when the Senate is to vote on any matter other than a Bill, the Speaker shall rule on whether the matter affects or does not affect counties. That is clear. It says, “Shall rule”, I would want to imagine that the application of a Member, in good time, the Speaker may then have to make a reasoned ruling on that matter. If you The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir---

Order, Sen. Wetangula. Under what Order of the Order Paper are you making this application? Right now we are dealing with the Motion brought by Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. That is where we are. We have finished the debate, he has replied, I have made a finding and he has requested under Standing Order No.53 that we vote, I have not even said when, how can you possibly raise an issue based on that? Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. and the House, the voting on this Motion shall be on Wednesday next week. It is so ordered. Next Order!

Is Sen. (Dr.) Zani not here? Next Order! REVIEW OF EXISTING LEGISLATION ON HEALTHCARE TO MAINSTREAM AND ENHANCE CARE FOR PATIENTS OF DEMENTIA THAT, aware that currently there are approximately 44 million persons living with dementia worldwide, a figure that is expected to triple by 2050; acknowledging that caring for dementia patients can be a difficult experience; appreciating the contribution of family members and other care givers of people suffering from dementia across Kenya; noting with concern that mental healthcare does not seem to be a priority in the public health sector in Kenya since the allocation for mental healthcare is less than 1 per cent of the total public health budget; acknowledging the importance of raising awareness of dementia and ensuring that people with dementia are treated with dignity and respect; appreciating the contribution of non- governmental organizations such as the Africa Mental Health Foundation and the International Institute for Legislative Affairs who provide a platform for sharing of views and experiences on care of people with dementia; noting the need to enhance awareness on and provide better care for patients of dementia; the Senate directs the Standing Committee on Health to immediately initiate review of the existing legislation on health care in order to mainstream and enhance care for patients of dementia and further that the Committee submits a report to the House on the matter within ninety (90) days.

I can see Sen. (Dr.) Machage is also not here. I hope the Movers of these Motions understand what it means when an Order is called and they are not here, on a new Motion. Unless the Rules and Business Committee rules otherwise, the Motion is dead, at least for six months. Next Order!

This is resumption of debate. Who was on the Floor? Sen. Kittony had concluded. So, the Floor is still open. Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o, are you seeking the Floor?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this Bill is very important because one of the things we must understand is that diet requirements of Kenyans based essentially on starch, particularly maize, are being threatened by the weather. In many places where people have depended on rain as a source of water so as to grow both maize and millet, the pattern of rainfall has changed so drastically that peasant farmers are left worried about how they shall continue investing in maize, millet or sorghum production without depending heavily on irrigation. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, traditionally, in this country, the only food crop that has received State attention in terms of irrigation is rice. The other agricultural produce that has depended on irrigation is cart flower. Cart flower is a very typical cash crop as it were because it is produced essentially for export and under capital intensive measures. Rice is irrigated and we should produce enough rice for domestic consumption. However, the reality is that we are not. Sen. Hassan and the Senate Minority Leader---

Order, Sen. Hassan and Sen. Boy Juma Boy. Your colleague is on the Floor and he has to be heard. If you want to consult, then do so in low tones.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if I were Jesus, I would tell them they have turned my house into a den of robbers. Then, I would whip them out of this House.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, even cart flower is irrigated under highly capital intensive conditions. As you know, it is one crop which has not been amenable to small holder production or out growers whereas, other crops which are equally amenable to irrigation like tea were the first to be amenable to out growers. Therefore, that economy was extended successfully to small peasantry through the Kenya Tea Development Authority (KTDA). Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we know, full well, that it will take a very long time for our peasant based agriculture to move from rain-fed agriculture to irrigated agriculture, unless there is heavy State investment in irrigation for the production of maize. Currently, there is a project in Tana River Delta or thereabouts for intensive irrigation for the production of food crops. However, like all Jubilee Government projects, they tend to falter at child birth. That has been a dream rather than a reality. It is part and parcel of what we call huge capital intensive projects established more for rent seeking rather than for realisation of those projects. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Your time is up.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also want to thank Sen. (Eng.) Karue for bringing this Bill, which is very useful to Bomet County which is agriculture-based. Bomet County is a tea growing zone. The tea is grown and sold in large scale. It is weighed and packaged at different stages right from the farm. The weighing, processing and packaging of tea is regulated by the Tea Act. This assists a great deal in marketing. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, potato is also a crop that is grown largely in specific areas of Bomet County. I want to specifically mention about Merigi area which produces one of the best potatoes that is well known and used to produce crisps. This product The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

There is no more interest shown on this Bill and the Mover is not here to reply, so we just reserve a date for its voting which will be again on Wednesday of next week. It is so ordered.

REORGANIZATION OF BUSINESS APPEARING ON ORDER PAPER Hon. Members, I am proposing that we reorganize the business appearing on the Order Paper, Order No.11 is finished, Order Nos.12,13, 14 and 15 will be suspended. Let us now go to Order No.16 on the Order Paper, The Public Fundraising Bill (Senate Bill No.28 of 2014)\

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that The Public Fundraising Bill (Senate Bill, No. 28 of 2015) be now read a Second Time. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, being in the Senate and listening to the Senator, the Senate can also be an important and serious learning process. The Senator for Kisumu County has just said that Sen. G.G. Kariuki has suffered for speaking the truth, could he substantiate so that the country can know the suffering that Sen. G.G. Kariuki has gone through for speaking the truth in this country?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the sake of others who may not know the history of this country very well- but, obviously I hope not for the sake of Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, who should know the history of this country - Sen. G.G. Kariuki was a very powerful Minister in the first Nyayo Government. In fact, truth be told, I, as a student--- I was not really a student; I was already teaching at the university.

You suffered?

Of course, that is another story! But, I actually saw him and Mr. Charles Njonjo riding in the same vehicle with the President. This was not wrong, if you are powerful, you have to be with the powerful. Nonetheless, finally both him and my friend, Mr. Charles Njonjo, were deprived of this opportunity in a rather ludicrous way and reasonably unfairly. So, I think he really realized and, of course, he never made that mistake again - that if you tell the truth to power, it can be rather painful. Of course, he can explain how he told truth to power, but he has told me that story. Since he is here, I would not like to footnote him, but give him the opportunity later to tell it himself. So, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, if you can wait, I am sure my friend, Sen. G.G. Kariuki, will enlighten you quite effectively on what really happened. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

I can see that Sen. G.G. Kariuki also has a point of order. Proceed, Sen. G.G Kariuki.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Are we taking this House seriously or did we just come here like kindergarten fellows who just come here to talk other things which are not there?

Sen. G.G Kariuki is asking whether the Senate is serious in allowing this to go on. I thought, as a matter of concern, that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale was quite correct to ask about how you suffered. But still, we do not need to dwell so much on that. I will restrict Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o to---

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I need to be heard properly by the gentlemen on the other side of the House. If they think that they have more insinuations and they can become more trivial, I will do the same. This is a very serious matter that a Senator just comes in and starts talking about personal things, personalities and asks my friend about my history. If you read the “Illusion of Power,” you will see the truth about me; you do not have to ask the Professor. I am not like one of those guys who never wrote any paper!

Order, Sen. Wetangula!

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I apologize to my friend, Sen. G.G. Kariuki. It was with a light touch. Sometimes both in courts and in the Houses of Representatives the world over, there are light moments just to reduce the heavy weight of serious debate. But having said that, I hope my colleague will take it with a light touch. I will not revisit that issue again. Finally, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, so that I give my colleagues time to speak more on this, now that we have a new beginning with county governments, this is a new era in our structure of government, we should not let me underline the word “not” - allow the bad manners of the past to be imported into county governance. If the current governors or executives in the counties begin laying the pattern of heavy reliance on harambees for social development, we shall lose the role of devolution because devolution was created so that we can take more resources to the grassroots for socio- economic development. That is why when we think of the health sector, we emphasize that it is taking so much money in county budgets. That, if we do not vote more money from the national Government to go into counties to take care of social welfare programs like education, health and water resources, then we shall have county governments again appealing to the public to subsidize its expenditures to meet the needs of social welfare projects. If we realize the importance of increasing allocations to county governments, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. If distinguished Senators can remember, Prof. Anyang’-Nyong’o brought a Motion to this Chamber and we gave him the green light to draft a Bill to address the abuses and excesses that have come to characterise an otherwise very noble cause. I was privileged to be nominated by him to serve in the Committee that went round to collect and collate views of Kenyans on what they felt about harambees. I remember we had a public meeting in Kitengela County. The Members of County Assembly (MCAs) who came to meet us with the Speaker had alongside them a group of very agitated church people who had misunderstood what our intention was. When we explained to them what the philosophy behind this move was, one of them prayed for us. Harambees have played a role in developing this country. Some of us, including myself, went through harambee secondary schools as many people who have gone to worship in a church or a mosque built on harambee basis. Some have even drank water from projects developed on harambee basis. Kenyans are very generous at heart. You will see people in the villages coming together to donate their labour, energy and money towards a common good. I was convinced to work alongside Professor in promoting this Bill because of the historical abuses and obscenities that came to hijack the harambee spirit; a spirit that was benevolent, a spirit that was meant to be human became a dispirit of purveying merchandise, opulence, display of obscene wealth and all of a sudden, thieves, robbers and gangsters became the most generous contributors to harambees. Even churches started running to known criminals; to invite them to preside over harambees in their churches. You would go to a village and find that a local rogue is referred to as BwanaMaendeleo because he donates his ill-gotten wealth during harambees. When you turn up as an honest Kenyan and give Kshs20,000 which is all that you have--- Our distinguished church people forget that in the Bible, Jesus said the woman who gave the little and the only that she had was better than the pharisees who gambled with money and accounted for half of it while keeping the other half. The society does not seem to appreciate any more that when Sen. Kittony goes to give the only Kshs10 that she has, from her heart, she is not Mama Maendeleo . However, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Order, Senators. I now want to propose the question.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank my colleague and friend, Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o and his team for coming up with this Bill. I know it is not an easy burden to carry. I remember when Hon. Wamwere’s Committee was going round the country; there were so many accusations against Members of that Committee. People said they were anti-development because they did not want people to hold harambees. Similarly, when Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o brought this Motion about enactment of a statute that would regulate harambees and it was passed in this Senate, there are some people who did not understand what he and his team were trying to do. They started out a propaganda that, probably this Bill and their contemplated legislations was going to stop harambees. I congratulate Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o in taking this burden. If you want to make Kenya different and to move ahead into this century, somebody has to take the burden. Just about a week and half ago, the President of Uruguay handed over power to a new president; the poorest president in the world. He died when his popularity rate was over 80 per cent. He used to drive a twenty year old Volkswagen, had a three-legged dog and one tractor. He used to drive that Volkswagen himself. The demonstration is that when you offer leadership and do the right thing with it, people will always support your leadership. If that former President wanted to run for a third term, if it were possible, he would have been voted back. I know that in Uruguay, they do not allow consecutive terms; you can only go for one term and then try again after the expiry of the next term or a subsequent term. In Kenya, we are already talking about when this President completes his term after 10 years, we are going to enthrone a particular individual as president, then another one. This is part of the bad culture. It is only in backward, in fact, medieval The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity to make some contribution. First, I wish to thank and congratulate Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’ - Nyong’o for bringing the Motion and now the Bill to the House. I also wish to extend this appreciation to the Committee that sat for many hours to deliberate and put a lot of brain capacity to generate information, ideas and to design a path on how to go through in deciding on the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Asante sana Bw. Spika wa Muda. Kusema kweli, kichwa kimeniuma mchana mzima. Mimi ninatoka katika Kaunti ya Kilifi na sipingi sheria hii. Lakini hata mtoto pia akizaliwa, atanyonyeshwa halafu utaangalia njia zingine za kumpa chakula kabla ya kuamua kuwa hautamnyonyesha tena. Tukiangalia wanyama vile vile, utaona kwamba hakuna mzazi anayemuacha mtoto wake mara moja. Nilivyosema kuwa natoka Kilifi, ni kwamba sisi huko hatuwezi kuishi bila ya harambee. Sipingi Hoja hii, lakini lazima tuangalie njia nyingine mbadala za kuwasaidia watu wetu kwenye sheria hii. Je, kutakuwa na hazina fulani ambayo wale ambao wako kwenye kaunti ambazo ziko chini kimaendeleo na ambazo zina udhaifu au unyonge wa fedha watafaidika nao? Bw. Spika wa Muda, ninaona Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale ameinamisha kichwa chake chini, lakini ninamwambia kwamba akiwa daktari, Kilifi, ataletewa vitelevisheni ambavyo vyote saa hizi vingekuwa vimezimwa; vitu ambavyo ni duni. Watu hawana hata hati miliki za ardhi za kuwawezesha kuziweka rehani na kusema kwamba “muache mgonjwa wangu akae hapa halafu kesho nitaleta pesa.” Hivyo basi, utajaziwa vitarakilishi na vyombo vyengine vya nyumbani ambavyo hivi sasa vingekuwa vimezimwa ilhali wewe kama daktari hata haujui utaviuza wapi kwa sababu hauwezi kuvichukua uvipekele mahali ili upate pesa ndio hospitali yako iendelee. Bw. Spika wa Muda, hii ni sheria ya maana sana, lakini tukiangalia kwa makini, tumefundishwa vibaya kama Wakenya kuanzia zama za muanzilishi wa Taifa hili; hayati Mzee Jomo Kenyatta. Harambee ni moyo ambao umetufunza ya kuwa hakuna arusi wala matanga ya mtu mmoja. Ni lazima kijiji kizima kishiriki katika mambo haya. Lakini tukiangalia katika mkono wangu wa kushoto, utaona kuwa watu sasa wanajifanya hawajiwezi kabisa. Ukiangalia mazingira watu wanayofanyia kazi, utakuta kuwa lazima mtu atadanganya kuwa leo nimefiwa na babangu, mwaka ujao tena atasahau aseme amefiwa tena na babake, ilhali mwaka mwingine atasema amefiwa na babake tena. Sasa, utashangaa kuwa mtu huyu ana baba wangapi. Hapa tukiangalia, tutaona kwamba shida hii inayoitwa h arambee, lazima kuwe na hazina fulani ambayo itaenda kule rizavu kuwasaidia wale wasiojiweza. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.

Sen. Mshenga, you are left with eight minutes. So, next time the House resumes, you can continue with your contribution.

Hon. Senators, it is now time to interrupt the business of the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Tuesday, 10th March, 2015, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate.