22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
The outgoing authority has not performed. They became politicised and started getting involved with the administrative work of the police. They should not have allowed themselves to get involved. I speak as somebody who has been quite close to the police service. I was a reservist some time ago. The situation is very clear; you cannot have two centres of authority. In the police service, the Inspector General is concerned with all matters of discipline with respect to the police. The IPOA’s role is that of oversight, to oversee and check whether there are issues that need to be looked ...
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22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
However, you cannot allow an oversight authority to run the police service the way they have tried. If you have no confidence in the IG and the system, correct it but do not use an oversight authority to do the job that they are not meant to do.
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22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
I do not know much about the nominees. I only know one but I am not here to say whether I like that person or not, whether that person has any integrity challenges or not. I am only concerned about integrity, ethics and whether they can serve at the IPOA and give the sort of credence that we need to the public and the people so that we can say the police force is being polished and the items that relate to police are being sorted out.
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22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
Everybody here including me attack policemen saying how they are corrupt and how they take Kshs50 for a bribe, yet the moment our security is threatened we go running to the police. How are we going to get those police officers whom we have been accusing and calling names that they are corrupt? How do we think they feel when we come to them for matters security and The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor.
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22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
we have been calling them all sorts of names? I have many friends in the police service and they ask me: “ Mheshimiwa my son is in school, he came to me and said that he was told that we are the most corrupt people in Kenya, now what will I tell my son?” The situation is that one of the jobs of the IPOA is to ensure that some of these false and incorrect implications are sorted out. Yes, the police are corrupt and so are we.
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22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
Fingers are not the same. If you go to countries such as Uganda and others, you will come back and appreciate that we have a police service which is professional. Yes, there are a number who are not, but they are the same people who are protecting us. What we need to do is help them along the line. I sometimes go to see how the police in my constituency live. We are trying our level best. You cannot expect a police officer who stays in a house made of tin, which they share with somebody else and their families, ...
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22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
I sat in some of the meetings and I kept wondering whether the Chairman of the IPOA was a commissioner. This is because there were contradictions which could have been sorted out in a meeting quietly and not publicised.
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22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
I am hoping that once the proposed list is approved they will begin to take lessons so as to know what to do and what not to do. At the same time, I urge my colleagues, if you continue attacking somebody and calling them corrupt, they are going to become exactly what you want.
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22 Aug 2018 in National Assembly:
I am the Chair of the African Parliamentarians Network Against Corruption (APNAC) and we hear this so many times wherever we go. I heard it in Panama, where somebody showed us how some policemen had taken people in Eastleigh and put them in places. That was one or two policemen. There is corruption of survival versus grand corruption. The latter is the one we need to deal with. Corruption of survival is there and can be easily sorted out. Improve the conditions of the police and give each one a house as that is what they do all over the ...
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25 Jul 2018 in National Assembly:
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I want to declare that I am a Member of the Departmental Committee on Finance and Planning. I am also the Chair of the African Parliamentarians against Corruption (APNAC). We have not accused Ben Chumo of any crime. We have said that the allegations that are there put a mark and raised a question. The position he is seeking demands that he should be beyond reproach. What do we mean by “beyond reproach”? Those who have not read the history of Caesar should know that they started slandering Caesar’s wife that she did A, B, C. ...
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